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[You just got tomahawked]

As many of y'all have noticed the good folks at Anet have really been pumping iut updates, evernts, etc.:

-Wintersday
-New HA
-The new tourny
-canthan New year
-Opening Urgoz and the deep
-search
-reconnects
-Hard mode

Also, the community has been pretty tough on Anet lately. Do y'all think that we influenced them to start working overtime or do you think they're not working had enough, or do you think they're just up to them normanl selves?

EDIT: my concious was getting to me I had to get feedback about if we were causing this.

[Blame the Monks]

A.net has always done an excellent job of adding new features and events imo. I don't think anyone has a right to complain about the support GW gets in terms of new features. The only complaint with GW I have ever had was PvP balance, which on some level is subjective.

[Zinger314]

The only reason whatsoever ArenaNet is attempting to release content en masse now is because it's the only way to keep customers. There's not going to be replay value for a long time, with the recent announcement that Ch4 will be released in the 2nd half of 2007 (also against tons of other big games, especially Warhammer Online).

I gurantee that about half the people will stop playing Guild Wars by Summer due to lack of substantial content. That's why the community is in shambles.

It's not the community's fault; it's ArenaNet's fault. They don't have the manpower, and it can't be helped.

[Malice Black]

They gave us some minor improvments that P2P games have as standard.

[Exoudeous]

oh ya it will be a sad day when zinger stops playing :P

isnt this like the 4th time you said people would stop playing?

[perfect]

Originally Posted by Exoudeous

oh ya it will be a sad day when zinger stops playing :P

isnt this like the 4th time you said people would stop playing?

I think he did stop but still haunts these forums.

[ikpt]

Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

They gave us some minor improvments that P2P games have as standard.

I have to quote this for emphasis+. And add in that there are a couple things, maybe only 1 (but it's a big one) that we don't have, that other mmo's do, free or not.

Originally Posted by Exoudeous

isnt this like the 4th time you said people would stop playing?

And they are. Look at SWG. As SoE continued to fail, people would leave, but others on the forums would say "go ahead and leave, it's not like there's a lot of you", and what happened? MOST of them left. It will happen.

[Exoudeous]

theres 119K members on this forum. if most of them quit the game, then there would still be alot of people playing guild wars.


people sit on the forums and complain about the stupidest crap, their voices make up such a small part of the comunity.

You can go ahead and quit, i dont care, but Me and most everyone I know still like to play alot. and since this isnt a subscription game its not really the same thing as any other mmo, especially star wars.

I dont get how you can compare it to that. SoE totally messed up that game by remaking most of it. I havent seen anything like that happen here, just alot of people getting bitchy cause their build gets nerfd and they are to lazy to make a new one.

[bart]

ppl are getting pretty bored with these "events" i suspect. I'm not even bothered with the x2 green drop and such events. I might come in to visit during the canthan new year but will probably leave in 10 mins. its just the same old thing. I think they should hire more staff but i doubt they can afford it without P2P.

[Zinger314]

Originally Posted by perfect

I think he did stop but still haunts these forums.

I can hear the high-pitched whining on these forums from hundreds of miles away (you made a smartass-comment, I gave a smart-ass rebuttal). I play WoW now mostly; nothing is stopping me from posting here. I want Guild Wars to succeed, but alas, it's likely too late.

The late arrivial of CH 4 will likely seal GW's fate. I am certainly not the only member of the community who's pessimistic.

Originally Posted by Exoudeous

theres 119K members on this forum. if most of them quit the game, then there would still be alot of people playing guild wars.

Yeah, and how many of those accounts are active? Maybe 1k, if you are being generous. Flawed number.

[Malice Black]

Originally Posted by perfect

I think he did stop but still haunts these forums.

There is no rule that states you have to play the game every day of the week non-stop to be able to post here.

ppl are getting pretty bored with these "events" i suspect. I'm not even bothered with the x2 green drop and such events. I might come in to visit during the canthan new year but will probably leave in 10 mins. its just the same old thing. I think they should hire more staff but i doubt they can afford it without P2P.

I agree with you there. Farming greens has never made me jump with joy. The average gamer I expect is prob happy with the x2 weekends it's only the miserable sods that post on forums that aren't happy.

[Meat Axe]

I think Anet has always provided for their customers in this way. The way I see it, Anet is big on pleasing players with special events and such. And they do it all for free, unlike most other MMOs, that make you pay monthly fees and don't have special events, except to bring out an expansion that you have to pay for. People on these forums bitch a lot about Anet not caring about the players, but if this was the case, why would they swamp their servers during halloween and christmas? Why would they actually listen to player feedback and add updates that people actually want?

Also, personally, I won't get sick of the special events. I am really looking forward to Canthan New year. sure, I won't play it the whole weekend, but I look forward to the hats and playing at least some of the games. And more alcohol. They didn't have alcohol on their list of special items, but I'm assuming there will be some.

Also, I haven't heard anywhere that the next game isn't coming out till second half of this year. I've heard that it's listed on some game sites as coming out in september, but this wouldn't be official information. There would have been a press release, and it would have been posted on the official site. Just because there hasn't been any news doesn't mean it's going to be released later than normal, just that Anet isn't ready to release any news yet.

EDIT: Okay, my bad. Should have checked the NCsoft site for any press releases. So there is something on there about a new addition to GW coming in the latter part of this year. I can still hope that they just got it wrong... Anyway, at least this means that the next chapter will be huge! Hey, I'm an optimist, what can I say.

[Zinger314]

Originally Posted by Meat Axe

I think Anet has always provided for their customers in this way. The way I see it, Anet is big on pleasing players with special events and such. And they do it all for free, unlike most other MMOs, that make you pay monthly fees and don't have special events, except to bring out an expansion that you have to pay for. People on these forums bitch a lot about Anet not caring about the players, but if this was the case, why would they swamp their servers during halloween and christmas? Why would they actually listen to player feedback and add updates that people actually want?

I paid 50$ for each chapter of Guild Wars. That definately does not count as "free."

The reason other games need monthly fees is to pay server upkeep. Since Guild Wars only have one world server (as opposed to World of Warcraft, which has 120+) and consists primarily of instances, the bandwidth is relatively low.

The reason ArenaNet added updates such as reconnects and LFG channel is irrelevant; they should have been in the game from the start. Every other game had them before Guild Wars. (And if they really listened to player feedback, there would be an Auction House, by far the most suggested thing in Sardelac. Of course, every other MMO has had AHes for awhile...)

Originally Posted by Meat Axe

Also, personally, I won't get sick of the special events. I am really looking forward to Canthan New year. sure, I won't play it the whole weekend, but I look forward to the hats and playing at least some of the games. And more alcohol. They didn't have alcohol on their list of special items, but I'm assuming there will be some.

Not sure how virtual alcohol contributes to the longevity of a video game. But okaaaaaay...

[ikpt]

Originally Posted by Exoudeous

people sit on the forums and complain about the stupidest crap, their voices make up such a small part of the comunity.

That's exactly what they said over on the SoE forums. Seriously, you should try experiencing something like this before attempting to predict how it goes.

Originally Posted by Exoudeous

You can go ahead and quit, i dont care, but Me and most everyone I know still like to play alot. and since this isnt a subscription game its not really the same thing as any other mmo, especially star wars..

Subscription has nothing to do with it. You think just because there's no monthly fee, that it's automatically fun? O.o There are MMOs that have no monthly free and you don't even have to buy. Browse the internets, it's a new business model that's becoming popular.

Also, see my above paragraph in response to your first sentence in that second quote.

Originally Posted by Zinger314

The reason ArenaNet added updates such as reconnects and LFG channel is irrelevant; they should have been in the game from the start. Every other game had them before Guild Wars. (And if they really listened to player feedback, there would be an Auction House, by far the most suggested thing in Sardelac. Of course, every other MMO has had AHes for awhile...)

Abso-frikkin-lutely!!

[Meat Axe]

Well, you can just go on being cynical. Personally, I love to get drunk in game. It's even better if you get drunk in real life at the same time. To be honest, I haven't played many other MMOs. But before anyone tells me to shut up, and I don't know what I'm talking about, I've seen screenshots of how bad the graphics are in WoW (if I wanted cartoons, I'd watch TV at 3 in the afternoon) and other MMOs, I've watched my friends play, and I've listened to my friends talk about them for hours on end (since none of them play GW, it's very boring for me, but what else is there to do but listen?) The only game that appeals to me as much as GW is ultima online, and that's only because the old Ultima series was and still is my favourite set of games.

GW is beautiful, and it caters to all sorts of players (soloers, PUGs, people playing through with friends, etc). And yes, we all paid our money for the games. I bought the CE for Factions and Nightfall, just for the seemingly useless treasures that come with it. But we paid for the game as it was. You don't go out and buy a car and expect it to repaired and upgraded for free. It's a surprise if it is, and it's the same for GW.

[ikpt]

Originally Posted by Meat Axe

I've seen screenshots of how bad the graphics are in WoW

Just to nitpick.. WoW's design is not "bad graphics". Also, WoW can be run on lesser video cards that can't even handle GW, and look, they have 8 million players. "Bad" graphics? Non, just graphics that are good enough.

(I hate the "those graphics suck!" arguments when people use that statement to dismiss a game. Graphics != fun.)

[Unlucky Slayer]

Originally Posted by Exoudeous

people sit on the forums and complain about the stupidest crap, their voices make up such a small part of the comunity.

Case in point. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10116726

[Meat Axe]

Originally Posted by ikpt

(I hate the "those graphics suck!" arguments when people use that statement to dismiss a game. Graphics != fun.)

I wasn't just using the "those graphics suck!" argument. I pointed out other things that make a game crap, and those coupled with crappy graphics just make a dismall game. Some of you may like WoW. I hate it, it's just my opinion. To me, it looks like a slightly better version of Runescape (if you haven't played the game, go check it out. You'll be amazed at how bad it is). Personally, I don't care about graphics that much, as long as it has some. If it has great graphics, bonus, but some of my favourite games have mediocre visuals (Although, ultima 8 had probably the best graphics of its time, and it still almost surpasses some games made nowadays. However, Ultima 7 had mediocre graphics, but surpasses games nowadays with the fact it had an excellent storyline).

[sindex]

Your kidding right, why does A-net do this? Well technically they have not lost the community; it grows, not as rapidly as "you know who." We are not pressuring them to do these things. Actually I could care less for these so called “special weekend events" were not even there.

Kudos to A-net for giving to us and doing some extra work on the server base line; I mean the way they have to run that 24-hour server must be a real pain in the @#!. I would die with the overtime they have to commit to every freak’en day. I love their updaters because they have some top notch techs that don’t destroy or give problems like Steam servers do. They just need better ways to improve moral and unique gameplay to the players (raise that bar).

[Exoudeous]

Originally Posted by ikpt

That's exactly what they said over on the SoE forums. Seriously, you should try experiencing something like this before attempting to predict how it goes.

Subscription has nothing to do with it. You think just because there's no monthly fee, that it's automatically fun? O.o There are MMOs that have no monthly free and you don't even have to buy. Browse the internets, it's a new business model that's becoming popular.

looks like you make alot of assumtions, guess I know what that makes you.

Subscription has everything to do with it. I never said free makes it more fun. But being subscription free makes it able to still continue with alot less active members.

THIS is not a subscription game, and it does not rely on keeping all of players active. And again, the changes anet make to the game, are no where near what SOE did to star wars, your whole argument has to be the stupidest thing I have ever read. SoE makes changes that made the game lame, Anet makes changes for balance that you can choose to like or hate, or move on with. If they didnt do skill changes then you would probably be here complaining about that too.

Originally Posted by Zinger314

Yeah, and how many of those accounts are active? Maybe 1k, if you are being generous. Flawed number.

ok mr smart guy, lets say that only 1k are active here, that means this forums voice accounts for even a smaller bit of the entire GW playing community, Everyone on this forum could quit and not even have the smallest effect on player count in game.


funny how the haters always have the worst thought process. All the people that have a brain and dont like the game stop playing and don't hang around forums saying how badly they think a game is doing. You guys just dont have anything better to do with your time, so you play this game you hate so much. IRONY!